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Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 17 Jan 2025, 17:41
by Soom
Hi all!
I am one of those happy traveling animators, who love to carry their 5kg of Wacom Mobile Studio 16" around and barely fit into airplanes max hand luggage weight limits
However - the MBP16 I bought in 2018 is showing fatigue and Windows 10 is going to drop support soon. There will come a time soon when I will have to search for a new travel setup. To my sadness Wacom have discontinued production of computer-tablets completely. The only other one on the market is Huion Kamvas Studio 16.
My question to you animators - what do you use these days to animate on the go? Are there any other feasible all-in-one drawing computers on the market that work well with TVPaint? Previously I used to have a MacBook Pro and a Cintiq separately, but I don't like to carry too much separate equipment with all the web of separate cables, this is why I switched to Mobile Studio at the time...
Thanks
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 20 Jan 2025, 06:40
by cgmodeler
IT might look like too much but I find this setup doable as long as you have a usb C to usb c with display for your huion tablet
- a fanless pc stick (usb c powered) (like this)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BL3K8KR5?th=1
- a powerbank
- your usb c tablet
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 20 Jan 2025, 10:05
by ematecki
A Lenovo Yoga 2-in-1 ?
Like this one (but browse their site to find the one best suited for you, different screen sizes, different CPUs, different prices !)
https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/p/laptops/ ... en101y0047
I have an old one (from like 2018 or 2019) and it worked really well with TVPaint.
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 20 Jan 2025, 11:24
by NathanOtano
I am so happy with this one :
https://www.asus.com/fr/laptops/for-cre ... led-w7604/
I see new ones also :
https://www.asus.com/fr/laptops/for-home/proart/
There is some setup to have regarding finding the right stylus for you and managing your right clicks because drivers are always weird, but the drawing lines are really precise and the pc is so powerful with a wonderful screen
I have the studiobook 16" OLED and really happy, even if the screen has no real stand behind i can draw on it it's really sturdy. The new ones seem also really handy, the PZ13 is a rebranded rogue version for artists and the original gamer version was also really handy and precise
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 20 Jan 2025, 13:11
by ematecki
The Yoga 2-in-1 can do this :
- lenovo.jpg (85.4 KiB) Viewed 818 times
Years of training :)
Sure in this position you sacrifice the use of the keyboard.
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 27 Jan 2025, 14:04
by Soom
cgmodeler wrote: ↑20 Jan 2025, 06:40
IT might look like too much but I find this setup doable as long as you have a usb C to usb c with display for your huion tablet
- a fanless pc stick (usb c powered) (like this)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BL3K8KR5?th=1
- a powerbank
- your usb c tablet
So is this like a tiny computer? Is it enough for TVPaint? The issue is that I also need ToonBoom applications to work, and possibly Adobe Animate. Would it be strong enough?
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 27 Jan 2025, 14:22
by Soom
ematecki wrote: ↑20 Jan 2025, 13:11
The Yoga 2-in-1 can do this :
lenovo.jpg
Years of training
Sure in this position you sacrifice the use of the keyboard.
NathanOtano wrote: ↑20 Jan 2025, 11:24
I am so happy with this one :
https://www.asus.com/fr/laptops/for-cre ... led-w7604/
I see new ones also :
https://www.asus.com/fr/laptops/for-home/proart/
There is some setup to have regarding finding the right stylus for you and managing your right clicks because drivers are always weird, but the drawing lines are really precise and the pc is so powerful with a wonderful screen
I have the studiobook 16" OLED and really happy, even if the screen has no real stand behind i can draw on it it's really sturdy. The new ones seem also really handy, the PZ13 is a rebranded rogue version for artists and the original gamer version was also really handy and precise
My main issue with other brands of computers like Lenovo, Surface Pro, etc. is that they always lack stylus and shortcuts functionality. The right-click is problematic (I remember trying it on Surface Pro and something wasn't working, can't remember the details), tilt and angle functions usually do not work, on-screen controls often don't exist, etc. And the fact that the keyboard must be folded backwards for drawing means I will have to carry around an extra keyboard. The question is then why not choose Huion Studio then? What is your specific experiences on Lenovo or Asus with TVPaint and other animation software?
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 27 Jan 2025, 15:37
by NathanOtano
Yep right clic is problematic indeed and you can't count on stylus shortcut except from switch from eraser to brush
I use shortcuts on my keyboard instead which is fine to me, that way I have a more free grip on the stylus
Precision depends on the brand and the stylus but i find it quiet precise in the end
I don't use on screen controls since my keyboard is attached, underneath the screen which is a nice position to me.
I don't use the keyboard backward, i just draw on the screen in the regular laptop position : keyboard in front and vertical/tilted screen. Mine I can't fold it backward anyways
I use it both for drawing and regular work (word to compositing). I needed a really powerful computer that i can use in the train/plain, with a keyboard (i never use on screen shortcuts there is not enough). It fits on a train table while i can't put a cintiq and a keyboard on a train table because the cintiq stand takes too much space while the screen is vertical and keyboard in front
I don't see any device doing both correctly anyways. Another option is to use a regular cintiq with a computer that stays in my bag for exemple, and a bluetooth keyboard or any shortcut remonte like a joycon. But still i need to bring computer+cintiq and it's not handy
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 28 Jan 2025, 12:05
by Soom
NathanOtano wrote: ↑27 Jan 2025, 15:37
Yep right clic is problematic indeed and you can't count on stylus shortcut except from switch from eraser to brush
I use shortcuts on my keyboard instead which is fine to me, that way I have a more free grip on the stylus
Precision depends on the brand and the stylus but i find it quiet precise in the end
I don't use on screen controls since my keyboard is attached, underneath the screen which is a nice position to me.
I don't use the keyboard backward, i just draw on the screen in the regular laptop position : keyboard in front and vertical/tilted screen. Mine I can't fold it backward anyways
I use it both for drawing and regular work (word to compositing). I needed a really powerful computer that i can use in the train/plain, with a keyboard (i never use on screen shortcuts there is not enough). It fits on a train table while i can't put a cintiq and a keyboard on a train table because the cintiq stand takes too much space while the screen is vertical and keyboard in front
I don't see any device doing both correctly anyways. Another option is to use a regular cintiq with a computer that stays in my bag for exemple, and a bluetooth keyboard or any shortcut remonte like a joycon. But still i need to bring computer+cintiq and it's not handy
I can't imagine myself drawing with the keyboard stuck right in front of me - my keyboards always stay on the side. I usually don't work on planes, however I do work on the go and it's true that often there is limited space on a table. That's the reason I went for Wacom Mobile Studio Pro and abandoned my older MBP + Cintiq setup.
The device that supposedly does it all is Huion Kamvas Studio 16, but so far I didn't get any feedback about it on this forum, so I am not sure...
Re: Wacom Mobile studio was discontinued and Windows 10 support dropping. Alternatives?
Posted: 30 Jan 2025, 05:23
by cgmodeler
Soom wrote: ↑27 Jan 2025, 14:04
cgmodeler wrote: ↑20 Jan 2025, 06:40
IT might look like too much but I find this setup doable as long as you have a usb C to usb c with display for your huion tablet
- a fanless pc stick (usb c powered) (like this)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BL3K8KR5?th=1
- a powerbank
- your usb c tablet
So is this like a tiny computer? Is it enough for TVPaint? The issue is that I also need ToonBoom applications to work, and possibly Adobe Animate. Would it be strong enough?
I'm not sure about toonboom as it is resource hungry, adobe animate is flash basically so it will run. Tvpaint too.
That said, after reading this thread I thought about getting my daughter a pc tablet and got a dell latitude 5290 2 in 1 to try out and once you get a hold of the right pen (they're active wacom pens) it works remarkably well, i7 16gb ram, ssd and under 250USD, FULLHD display, plenty of spare parts available and detachable keyboard. I wouldn't go with a surface since nobody wants to fix them, too cumbersome.
And btw if you get the i7 instead of the i5, you get thunderbolt on the USB C ports, they can power a secondary display, I use some xreal glasses with it and works great!