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Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 15 May 2008, 13:27
by hisko
Paul Fierlinger wrote:
I I were a religious man, I would think that the bearded guy was behind this.
I don't need to have any part of any religion to know that this can be so.
It was you. You were the bearded guy!!

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 15 May 2008, 13:33
by Klaus Hoefs
hisko wrote:That's not accidently. I used to be a big Bilal fan (especially the hunt), but nowadays I feel that his human characters are too stiff really.
And all characters are look-alikes.
True. I have seen one of his latest books in a store...
I think that happens if your drawings are not in the fight to catch up with your feelings and with the things you are observing. Fishing only in your own pond for a long time will lead in mannerism and awful self-citation.

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 15 May 2008, 13:39
by hisko
Klaus Hoefs wrote:
hisko wrote: I think that happens if your drawings are not in the fight to catch up with your feelings and with the things you are observing. Fishing only in your own pond for a long time will lead in mannerism and awful self-citation.
Whoa, I hope Enki doesn't read this forum....

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 15 May 2008, 13:41
by Klaus Hoefs
I think he should. :wink:

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 15 May 2008, 20:17
by airman
i really the skectches for a film
i like the colours too
keep it up

Seventeen where?

Posted: 16 May 2008, 00:52
by Svengali
Hisko,

Your two clips and the stills at your site makes me want to see the entire thing. Is Seventeen anywhere viewable on-line or part of any anthology DVD?

(and the Music too. Wow.)

Sven

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 16 May 2008, 08:00
by hisko
Thanks Sven and Airman.

Seventeen was brought out on the DVD Best of Anima 2

http://folioscope.awn.com/wordpress/?p=1150&language=en

and on a DVD called Shorts!!3 in the U.S.
I didn't see that one, and I remember I did a audio commentary while being very sick, so it must sound like shit.
That's probably the reason I never saw it.

http://www.amazon.com/shorts-volume-3/d ... B000BVY24I

Cheers, Hisko

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 18 May 2008, 06:12
by Anim8tor Cathy
Your work is absolutely amazing. The craftsmanship you put into it really shows. I'm inspired!

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 23 May 2008, 19:40
by Stayfun
Wow Hisko, that is just amazing and inspiring work!
I am now exploring the different brushes in TV Paint.
I am trying to digital paint Watercolor backgrounds in TV Paint.

I took some snapshots of Disneybackgrounds and try to achieve the same style in TV Paint.

I used this brush from the Trial Creation Pack and played around with Size and Jitter:
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Here 2 backgrounds from Dumbo:

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And one background from Snowwhite:

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I think I will do all my background painting in TVPaint and throw out PainterX.

Painting works so much better in TV Paint!

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 23 May 2008, 19:56
by Paul Fierlinger
Stefan, I think your watercolor attempts betray digital technology because you use blur. My wife, Sandra, who is a schooled watercolorist has adapted to TVP by merely applying the same principal of laying down transparent layers of colors as she would do with real world water color painting. You can see some examples of her work here:

www.mydogtulipfilm.com

She gave up trying to recreate the effect of puddling and quick-dry edges, both typical effects of real water soaked into paper, but the feel of watercolors nevertheless prevails through her use of the transparency sliders on each layer. In my opinion digital technology isn't advanced enough to truly emulate the organic world. The only answer to that is to do what Hisko does; use the real materials for backgrounds. TVP merely replaces acetate cels -- very well.

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 23 May 2008, 22:07
by Stayfun
You are completely right. Nothing beats the real thing.
If you want real watercolored backgrounds use watercolor!

but the feel of watercolors nevertheless prevails through her use of the transparency sliders on each layer.
I am going to try that!

As long as I can get the feel of watercolor I am happy.

Thanks for the link!
I love the colors in My Dog Tulip.
The scene "outings and pub" has a beautiful feel to it. Especially the shadows of the windows.

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 23 May 2008, 22:10
by Paul Fierlinger
Yep, I'm lucky to have Sandra; I could never get anywhere close to what she does.

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 23 May 2008, 22:57
by hisko
Stayfun wrote:
I think I will do all my background painting in TVPaint and throw out PainterX.

Painting works so much better in TV Paint!
Hoi Stefan,

Nice work. It has a digital touch, but that has to do with the softness of the brush maybe?
I haven't tried the creation pack yet, but I think I'll download the trial version soon, because this looks promising.
On the other hand, I don't have much time to play around, and I always stick to one or two tools once I get used to them. That makes the distance between my brain and my creation as short as possible. For instance, when I'm painting with real oilpaint, I only use about four brushes. Three different sizes, and a dry soft brush to soften things (but that's more something of the past, because I work quite rough now).
What I was looking for for a long time was the digital watercolors from painter x. I'll upload some of my 270 storyboard drawings that I did for my film junkyard with that tool. Maybe there's a tool in the creationpack that comes close to it. Would be nice.
I have to say that I stopped working with painter x too. I got confused by the difference in shortcuts between the two programmes and I found ways to work fast in tvpaint for my commercial work too (storyboards, visuals and animatics)

BTW. I think I know you from the stripmakers.com (board of dutch comicartists).
Paul Fierlinger wrote:
http://www.mydogtulipfilm.com

She gave up trying to recreate the effect of puddling and quick-dry edges, both typical effects of real water soaked into paper, but the feel of watercolors nevertheless prevails through her use of the transparency sliders on each layer. In my opinion digital technology isn't advanced enough to truly emulate the organic world. The only answer to that is to do what Hisko does; use the real materials for backgrounds. TVP merely replaces acetate cels -- very well.

Paul, the drawings on your site look really beautiful. I already saw part of the film of course. Nice to see it again.

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 23 May 2008, 23:21
by Paul Fierlinger
I already saw part of the film of course.
The colors were bleak in that projection as I recall -- this must look like a different film to you.
BTW, is it true that the nautical greeting Ahoy! (and the Czech Ahoj! dates back several centuries to the dutch hoi, a boat that shuttled drinking water to ships anchored in a harbor? I read somewhere that sailors would cry out to the little boat "A hoi!" meaning we need water.

Re: made in tvpaint

Posted: 24 May 2008, 04:04
by Stayfun
@Hisko
BTW. I think I know you from the stripmakers.com (board of dutch comicartists).
Ja, dat klopt... Ik ben dezelfde Stefan de Groot :wink:

I also like to stick to one brush. I like this particular one the best, for watercolor.
I made several variations with the same brush.

I am very interested in the way you work. Maybe we can meet in the near future?