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Lukas wrote:Peter, your trick gave me an idea on how to create actual stencil masking in TVPaint:
http://forum.tvpaint.com/viewtopic.php? ... 025#p63025" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes i just saw it, great solution.
But indeed as you mention, it takes the unintuitivness up a bit.
still i'm surprised how neat it works, i'd have expected that you would only be able to do one erase layer
but stacked this way with the "behind" layers on top you can have multiple erase layers that don't bite each-other

I can't make any of this work without having the fadeout effect all the layers below (and even above, as I tried all sorts of combinations...) So I'm still not getting how this works

it is confusing.
What we need is the option to link two (or more) layers together, in such a way that their blend modes only influence the layers they are linked to.
that way it would become very easy to set up non destructive masks and fades etc.

That would boost TVPaints effectiveness, and the practical use of blendmodes tremendously!

but as i understand it would require a new layer engine (?)

Well.
So now I actually feel better about being ignorant of this trick all my life. Back to the KeyFramer, which BTW is no big deal when it comes to just creating a simple FO.

i think the trick works fine as long as the fading is between two segments.

But fading is one of those old time transitions that it is called for under many kinds of scenarios. There should really be just a single stop tab for this within the FX Stack like Color adjust has, or Healing Tracker etc.

Peter Wassink wrote: ↑02 Jul 2013, 20:16 actually you can do a cross-fade by using the blend modes, its slightly counterintuitive and you do need an extra layer
but its not destructive (other then having to reset the blend modes of the layers involved.)

This is how:
The behind mode puts the top layer virtually under the bottom layer where its revealed because the bottom layer is increasingly being erased by the fade layer.

I made a video tutorial to produce a non-destructive cross-dissolve (using blend modes) based on Peter's method, although in comparing the layer and fade set up in the screenshot from Peter to my set-up there are slight differences. But at any rate , my way of doing it in the tutorial was inspired by Peter's clever idea of using blend modes to accomplish the cross-dissolve effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlRpAPY-Z8w


(if you want to watch the tutorial in Full Screen mode, click through to watch it on YouTube , because for some reason the TVPaint Forum does not allow the option to play embedded YouTube videos in Full Screen mode.)



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Paul Fierlinger wrote: ↑05 Jul 2013, 14:18 But fading is one of those old time transitions that it is called for under many kinds of scenarios. There should really be just a single stop tab for this within the FX Stack like Color adjust has, or Healing Tracker etc.

I agree with Paul , there should be a section in the FX Stack that has pre-sets for various lengths of Fades that could be easily applied . (of course, the user can do this by manually creating various lengths of fade-ins and fade-outs and saving/storing those in the FX Bin , but I think for novice users of TVPaint it would be useful to have pre-made Fades of various lengths.

Ultimately the best thing would be if TVPaint developers would add a new feature to the Project view where we could simply drop-in a Fade or Cross-Dissolve transition effect between clips, as in other software such as Storyboard Pro, which makes it very easy to create transitions between clips when creating animatics.

Hello David,
Thanks a lot for your tutorial, that's a good solution to do a cross fade easily.

I agree with Paul , there should be a section in the FX Stack that has pre-sets for various lengths of Fades that could be easily applied . (of course, the user can do this by manually creating various lengths of fade-ins and fade-outs and saving/storing those in the FX Bin , but I think for novice users of TVPaint it would be useful to have pre-made Fades of various lengths.

It can be added to our to do list, we will look at it with our devs. That's a good idea.

Ultimately the best thing would be if TVPaint developers would add a new feature to the Project view where we could simply drop-in a Fade or Cross-Dissolve transition effect between clips, as in other software such as Storyboard Pro, which makes it very easy to create transitions between clips when creating animatics.

Thanks a lot for your feedback, we will indeed see what can be done in the future with the Storyboard and Animatic part.