Standard layer attenuation percentage

[Lukas]

The standard layer attenuation percentage is 0%, and for every new project I create I have to set it higher.

0% is the same as having it turned off altogether, so maybe change the default value to 30% or something?

(Or have it not project bound, I don't see the point of having different TVPaint settings per project)

[Elodie]

That's weird. The layer attenuation shouldn't change following the project ! All other parameters from Display settings do not react like this.

Bug or request ?

[Lukas]

A bug with a fix-request!

[Elodie]

Oops, sorry, I meant "is it a bug or a was it a request from beta testers ?"

Anyway, it's not logic for me and it looks more like a bug ^^

[Paul Fierlinger]

There are good reasons for having different settings for different clips, not just projects. Some of us draw in styles that vary in complexity, compositions that vary in complexity, and characters that vary in pencil thickness and complexity. But having said that, I agree that opening every new clip with a zero setting is the same as having the feature turned off completely, which is actually what happens now; both turned off and set to 0%, which is silly.

As in all cases of such disputes, I tend to lean in having the default setting made as an individual preference by having it memorize its last setting. In my case, when I have to keep adjusting the percentage value back and forth as I work on a single clip, it makes no difference anyway, as long as the starting point is anything but turned off at zero, which requires me to adjust two settings each time I start working on a new clip. This is the way the Attenuation setting works between clips within a project right now; after each clip has been set to its own preference, TVP remembers these settings. Shouldn't we then have TVP remember by the same logic the last setting of the previous project whenever we start a new one?

[Mads Juul]

There are good reasons for having different settings for different clips, not just projects. Some of us draw in styles that vary in complexity, compositions that vary in complexity, and characters that vary in pencil thickness and complexity. But having said that, I agree that opening every new clip with a zero setting is the same as having the feature turned off completely, which is actually what happens now; both turned off and set to 0%, which is silly.

As in all cases of such disputes, I tend to lean in having the default setting made as an individual preference by having it memorize its last setting. In my case, when I have to keep adjusting the percentage value back and forth as I work on a single clip, it makes no difference anyway, as long as the starting point is anything but turned off at zero, which requires me to adjust two settings each time I start working on a new clip. This is the way the Attenuation setting works between clips within a project right now; after each clip has been set to its own preference, TVP remembers these settings. Shouldn't we then have TVP remember by the same logic the last setting of the previous project whenever we start a new one?

+1

[Elodie]

Shouldn't we then have TVP remember by the same logic the last setting of the previous project whenever we start a new one?

If we forget the layer attenuation percentage, it's already the case : TVPaint remembers the last settings you used when you create a new project.

[Paul Fierlinger]

Yes, after you make your first setting on opening a new project. But what I have in mind is that TVP would remember the last setting I used on my last "old" project. Sounds kind of silly, now that I have to spell it out, but every new project in my case is a continuation of the last "old" one -- and I would think this would be the case for most people, because one film is made of several (or many) projects.

[Elodie]

So, for you, the panel "Display settings" should depend on the projects ?

[Paul Fierlinger]

...on the last project. Each new project is just a continuation of the last one.

[Elodie]

..

Sorry, but I don't get in what this behavior is different from the current one.

[Paul Fierlinger]

Take one of your existing projects and activate its attenuation with a value if it doesn't have one already. Then using the New Project icon, start a new project. Notice that the Layer Att. is unchecked with a value of 0% in the Display Settings panel, but all the other Display Settings have been carried over from the last project.

[Elodie]

So this is exactly what I said previously :

If we forget the layer attenuation percentage, it's already the case : TVPaint remembers the last settings you used when you create a new project.

In other words :
Forget the layer attenuation percentage : at the moment, it always re-uses the default configuration (which is 0% => that's what Lukas is complaining about) when you create a new project, instead of keeping the previous chosen value. As I said, it looks like a bug to me.
So, if you focus on all other parameters from the panel "Display settings", TVPaint ALREADY remembers the different values each time you create a new project.

Currently, it has nothing to do with the project. When you configure the Display settings, this is configured for all your projects. It depends on your interface, not your projects.
That's why I was asking you "So, for you, the panel "Display settings" should depend on the projects ?" (in other word : a configuration for A project, a configuration for B project, etc...), but it was not your request.

So, for me, the layer attenuation should behave exactly like the other parameters from Display settings. You set the percentage of your choice, and it remains the same, whatever your project is, until your decide yourself to change it.

[Paul Fierlinger]

So, for me, the layer attenuation should behave exactly like the other parameters from Display settings. You set the percentage of your choice, and it remains the same, whatever your project is, until your decide yourself to change it.

I see. But this never happens to me. In my case all display settings are remembered except for the Layer attenuation , which always comes up as unchecked and 0%. How can this be?

[Elodie]

except for the Layer attenuation , which always comes up as unchecked and 0%. How can this be?

Paul, have you read Lukas' first post ? That's what Lukas wants to know : why the layer attenuation stays at 0% each time he opens a new project, contrary to other parameters from Display Settings, which keeps their values.
And Lukas is right because it is NOT a normal behavior, as explained previously (once again to me, it sounds like a bug, nothing more).