Is it possible to rename a scene?

[Paul Fierlinger]

Why not use the terminology that's used in the film industry for as far as we can. It gets confusing with words like clips/shots....

I Googled several of the most popular glossaries used in the film indistry and film schools in the U.S.

This pretty much summarizes them all:

Scene - A scene is really just a single shot. But often scene is used to mean several shots, which is more to do with the word’s origin in theater. It is sometimes clearer to say “sequence” for several shots, so as not to confuse the filmic and theatrical meanings of the word.
Shot - A shot is the film exposed from the time the camera is started to the time it is stopped. Shot and Scene are interchangeable terms.
Clip – never even once appears in any glossaries; it simply seems to be not used in the film industry.

In my opinion it is meaningless to turn to the film industry for clarifications.

[Mads Juul]

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In my opinion it is meaningless to turn to the film industry for clarifications.

I Don't agree. We are In the Film Industry and we should try to choose the word that fits the most
If a word exists Instead of inventing new words or give it a word new meaning.
Thats why we got languages
But its true there is no standard
So let's turn to Wikipedia and see whats the best word 'Clip' or 'Shot'
CLIP:
List of different meanings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip
The one who fits the best
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_clip
It Says

Video clips are short clips of video, usually part of a longer piece. The term is also more loosely used to mean any short video less than the length of a traditional television program.

SHOT:
List of different meanings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot
The one who fits the best
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_%28filming%29

a part of a film between two cuts

This clearly shows that Shot is much stronger and better word than clip.
Clip simply doesn't mean
"a continuous strip of motion picture film"
or
"a part of a film between two cuts"
So We could as well call it "Hat" or "Beetle" or Even "MadsJuul" maybe

OK seriously I think it would be much better to call it 'Shot' than 'Clip'

Now look at the word Sequence vs Scene
Scene:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scene_%28film%29
Sequence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence_%28filming%29

Scene is a very Ambiguous word and thats the reason why we shouldn't use it.
I have always avoided using it in my productions. Because when a script writer talks about scenes he mean something else than a Maya 3d Animator

I would prefer
- Project
- Sequence
- Shot
But We have to respect the names that TVpaint uses. And anyways that we have the same definition or that we now where the definitions is different is the most important.

This is my Definitions.
-Project: Collection of Scenes limited either by some larger story structure or by the physical Strength of you computer or how you like to organize your work.
-Scene: a series of clips which form a distinct narrative unit, usually connected either by unity ofocation or unity of time.
-Clip: "a part of a film between two cuts"

-Mads

[Sewie]

I would prefer
- Project
- Sequence
- Shot

I would prefer this as well. Why not change it in TVPaint? It will be a lot clearer for new users and I don't think it would be too much of a hassle for the veterans to get used to using names that make more sense. I wouldn't mind, for one...

[slowtiger]

- Project
- Sequence
- Shot

This is also the terminology I was taught.

[Paul Fierlinger]

I would have no problem adjusting to that either. It's a very reasonable compromise and since I disagree that we are making films, thus are part of the film industry, the order of:
- Project
- Sequence
- Shot
is less confusing -- except for the word SEQUENCE since that is a very common expression for a row of images. So perhaps keep the word SCENE...?

I'm outa'here.....

[Peter Wassink]

Why not use the terminology that's used in the film industry for as far as we can. It gets confusing with words like clips/shots....

I Googled several of the most popular glossaries used in the film indistry and film schools in the U.S.

This pretty much summarizes them all:

Scene - A scene is really just a single shot. But often scene is used to mean several shots, which is more to do with the word’s origin in theater. It is sometimes clearer to say “sequence” for several shots, so as not to confuse the filmic and theatrical meanings of the word.
Shot - A shot is the film exposed from the time the camera is started to the time it is stopped. Shot and Scene are interchangeable terms.
Clip – never even once appears in any glossaries; it simply seems to be not used in the film industry.

In my opinion it is meaningless to turn to the film industry for clarifications.

Personally, i prefer the term"shot" over clip. but we had this discussion already before it was implemented.
Though i wonder what our new forum member Pam Darley has to say about this. She is close to the fire, film industry-wise and software-wise.

[Mads Juul]

but we had this discussion already before it was implemented.

And I still disagrees.
But I didn't make the thread to discuss the namings I accept the words chosen by the marvelous TV Paint team.
It was About getting my head around the Scene concept in TV Paint. It is as Paul says a simple naming system. thats it.
But this thread shows that maybe a reconsidering of the names could be a good idea for new users. That Maybe it should be possible to rename a scene. That maybe it should be possible to have more than one image from your clip when your export storyboards

[Mads Juul]

and since I disagree that we are making films, thus are part of the film industry,

You don't think your part of the film industry? thats interesting. Why If I may ask?
Mads

[Paul Fierlinger]

Ooops -- I meant to say "since we don't ALL make films". But Tulip might have been my last film anyway because I have converted Slocum to be released as an e-book animated graphics novel, which I strongly believe will fast become the new standard for animators.

[Paul Fierlinger]

If anyone is interested in what I mean by animated graphics novel you can download a sample reel from here: http://www.oldanimator.com/video/slocum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is 30 minutes long (WIP really) so may take 10 or 15 minutes to download.

[Mads Juul]

e-book animated graphics novel, which I strongly believe will fast become the new standard for animators.

That sounds interesting i. I find Animated features in Cinemas more and more outdated. The distribution will change has changes. Most animation is distibuted with Youtube these days.
can I find more information about "e-book animated graphics novel," some where?
(But still I would consider it 'film' even though it's not printed on film.)

[Paul Fierlinger]

Once you download it you will see it is not quite a film and I don't even know what it should be called (another dispute over labels? ). I don't even know how to describe what people do with it; do they read or watch? They obviously do both. The grandness of this concept lies in it's production simplicity. It is perfectly tailored to the workflow of an independent animator. Sandra and I are making this film...errr... animated novel... all by ourselves. Gone are the muddling middlemen; the producers, the backers, and the agents and agents of actors. Gone are the actors, even. It is pure joy to work on this project and I am not making any secrets about what we are doing because I have high hopes that others will follow suit (are you listening, Terrence?) and the more of us who will be coming out with this format, the sooner it will become a standard and the merrier for all of us.

[Mads Juul]

(another dispute over labels? )

Yes. it's one of my hobbies;-)

Once you download

Cool I will look Monday. when I'm at a computer with a faster internet.
-Mads