Getting TVPaint to play nice with Premiere Pro

[Paul Fierlinger]

It's in his ToolBox which contains two buttons, Marker/Tracker. You highlight the frames which are unique and click on the first button which places a little red number into the top left corner. As you work along the sequence and perhaps insert a new frame between already numbered ones, you highlight the new one and mark it. It will get the next unused number but this makes no difference as long as every new frame you draw gets its original number.

Then when it comes to coloring your frames on a new layer below your line layer, you use the plugin to create this new layer. Every frame that is an instance of a unique one will have a big red slash across it. You now start coloring but you leave out the instances with the slashes -- they are there just to remind you not to color them. When all of this is done you click on the plugin button and all the slashed frames will be replaced by repeats (instances) of their original frames.

It's very simple, really and Sandra and I (and Peter, I believe) have been using this for several years now. I don't understand how so many people can work without this. BTW, Sandra and I instigated dhomas to create this and we extensively beta-tested it. Best thing since sliced bread.

[hisko]

And where can I find that Toolbox? Do you know?

There's a button in the instancepanel (CL) that clears headframes.
You get a copy of the animated layer, but cleared (it has the same timing of instances), so when you only color the first frame of the instances of the layer, all the other frames of that instance are colored too.
But if an instance gets copied and pasted, is it possible than to use the marker/tracker to make sure the copied instances are being colord automayically. Do I understand that correctly?

[Paul Fierlinger]

Well, it's up to dhomas to find you, I'd say, but you can look up "youngmonkey.com" and see if you can find ToolBox in that maze he has created. You can PM him here under dhomas.

And yes, as long as the frames have numbers you can cut and paste them in whichever order you like. You can even have the plugin isolate all the unique numbers if you want to start all over again or use the x-sheet to rearrange them. After you're done there, I imagine you could still use the tracker to point out the instances for you.

[masterchief]

I have ToolBox Plugin from youngmonkey... never used that one Paul.

interesting.. is this something Dhomas created at your request?


regards,
William

[Anim8tor Cathy]

Can you please give a screenshot of your Premiere Project Settings - tab.

So far only guessing:
Pixel Ratio Setting same as TVP-Export ?
Field-Settings (put to Progressive) same as TVP Export ?

Yes - I was very meticulous about matching all settings in both programs.
I think Paul may be right - I just need to do trial and error until I find something that works.
I'll do some more experimenting when I get home tonight and post screen shots of my progress.
Thanks Everyone!

[Anim8tor Cathy]

Thats interesting I have had the same problem with Adobe After Effects
I think its something to do with the Codec of the AVI You are exporting from TVPAint
Im using the x264 codec I just imported it into Premiere and it look ok but the colors ere off but im onle using black and white so its not a problem for me

divX or the Xvid codec looked better.
I dont know if you have these codecs installed?

which codec are you using
-mads

I did some experimenting with several different codecs in TVP last night and discovered that some of them simply don't work out of TVP for me - the DivX was one of them. I need to do some more eperiements to find out why. The only one that ended-up giving me a clean compression was the QuickTime animation codec. The MJPEG was horrible and the x264 produced nothing at all - it would just close (crash) the appliction everytime I tried to apply it.

[Paul Fierlinger]

I have ToolBox Plugin from youngmonkey... never used that one Paul.

interesting.. is this something Dhomas created at your request?


regards,
William

Yes, this one and Picture Palette was Sandra's idea and I'd say over half of all of them were our requests one way or the other. Backup, for instance was mine, but dhomas (he spells his name with no capitals) always added a lot of extras to the gadgets that I would have never thought of. He worked very hard on them; long hard hours and I would sometimes pay him if it took a long time.

[masterchief]

I was always impressed that dhomas plugins looked like something Paul Fierlinger would use.. I have had them for yrs, although I do not know how to use them to full potential


I have all of the Tools plugins, two of the filters I do not use, two of the generators I do not use, I have the Dissolve plugin, creativity collection and commander.

dhomas... MORE PLEASE!!!


regards,
William

[Anim8tor Cathy]

*** drum roll ***

...and the winner is .... Paul Fierlinger with Uncompressed (BGR24) or QT Animation!

[Mads Juul]

So the Problem was the Codec?

If you export to Premiere for final editing it should be Lossles qulaity as Paul says.
But if you want to email you need smaller file sizes and codecs like DivX or Xvid or x-264 is better,
I have have installed the
"K-lite codec pack" on my machine and divx or xvid works fine

-mads

[ZigOtto]

the MJPG video MainConcept v3.00b works fine here, though I didn't try it with sound.
QT H264 does work too, but I still find DivX v5.1 better so far.

[masterchief]

*** drum roll ***

...and the winner is .... Paul Fierlinger with Uncompressed (BGR24) or QT Animation!

Cathy,

Are you using video clips (AVI) or image sequences with Premiere???

I send all my image sequences to compositor (Fusion), then create AVI files for use inside Premiere/After Effects.

regards,
William

[Anim8tor Cathy]

Hi William -

I'm creating AVI's straight out of TVP for import into Premiere. Once I chose the right file type, BGR24 (thanks to Paul) everything worked smoothly.

-Cathy

[hisko]

*** drum roll ***

...and the winner is .... Paul Fierlinger with Uncompressed (BGR24) or QT Animation!

Cathy,

Are you using video clips (AVI) or image sequences with Premiere???

I send all my image sequences to compositor (Fusion), then create AVI files for use inside Premiere/After Effects.

regards,
William

Is there a reason why you prefer Fusion over AE en Premiere?
I mean, you could do the same thing in premiere. Or is Fusion compositor more reliable?
Somewhere I read that Fusion creates good H.264 (without the washed out colors that I get everytime), have you ever rendered a quicktime with H.264 compression in Fusion?

[masterchief]

I try to stay away from layers and precomps in after effects.... prefer node based workflow of Fusion to create AVI clips as assets for Premiere. If I had the bucks I would go with a VT system.

Have you heard of Autodesk Cleaner and Backburner??? used for encoding digital media from one format to another... you can set up a codec server on network and have it operate unattended... Obtained the software with my Maya 2008 Unlimited purchase.. dont even use it.

I will play around with the Quicktime and get back to you.


regards,
William